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Posted by Sedruce at 10:45pm Oct 17 '07
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So, I've been having this debate with my bf (I love having 4k debates with Sam off 4k, I learn a lot more from having multiple independent perspectives), and he brought up Hobbes' Social Contract, which boils down to this: you get no rights if you do not contribute to society.

A fetus does not, in any way shape or form, contribute to society (I'm HUGELY interested in any dispute of this statement, because I think it's pretty factual). Therefore, a fetus has absolutely no rights, according to this social contract.

Thoughts?

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Another abortion thread... - blood roses 2:32pm Oct 15 '07
- Interesting new perspective - Sedruce 10:45pm Oct 17 '07
  - It's a question of potential - BrainFireBob 5:15pm Oct 18 '07
    - The child could've been a criminal! heh (nt) - Sir Four 11:36am Oct 27 '07
    - Re: It's a question of potential - Sedruce 6:04pm Oct 18 '07
  - I'm wary of that argument - blood roses 10:44am Oct 18 '07
  - I can't agree - Anon 6:55am Oct 18 '07
  - I think it's stupid - shyla 2:04am Oct 18 '07
    - Jeeze! - Sedruce 2:23am Oct 18 '07
      - Re: Jeeze! - shyla 2:31am Oct 18 '07
        ...why are you even taking my signature into this? - Sedruce 2:48am Oct 18 '07
        I think you're hard core back tracking - shyla 2:52am Oct 18 '07
  - I wouldn't agree with that - Sir Four 11:01pm Oct 17 '07
    - Re: I wouldn't agree with that - Sedruce 11:06pm Oct 17 '07
      - Good questions - Sir Four 11:14pm Oct 17 '07
        Now I'm just playing devil's advocate - Sedruce 11:17pm Oct 17 '07
- Re: Another abortion thread... - shyla 2:31pm Oct 16 '07
  - That's the thing though - blood roses 2:19pm Oct 17 '07
    - And I understand that - shyla 2:24pm Oct 17 '07
      - You would be surprised - blood roses 2:49pm Oct 17 '07
        Just logically speaking.. - shyla 2:55pm Oct 17 '07
        What I'm saying is - blood roses 3:30pm Oct 17 '07
        I think that's more of the extremist right (nt) - shyla 3:36pm Oct 17 '07
        Look up any pro-life organisation - blood roses 3:39pm Oct 17 '07
  - The reason to cite rape and incest isn't... - Sir Four 6:13pm Oct 16 '07
    - It can - BrainFireBob 5:25pm Oct 17 '07
      - Why do you think abortion is wrong - blood roses 5:54pm Oct 17 '07
      - Re: It can - Sedruce 5:52pm Oct 17 '07
    - Well...I sort of disagree...but I also agree - Sedruce 6:40pm Oct 16 '07
      - I'm so sick of that phrase - blood roses 2:34pm Oct 17 '07
        More than you would think - shyla 3:05pm Oct 17 '07
        heh, I agree - Sedruce 2:39pm Oct 17 '07
    - Gotcha - shyla 6:18pm Oct 16 '07
  - Re: Another abortion thread... - Sovawanea 5:22pm Oct 16 '07
    - I wouldn't suggest a really long waiting time - shyla 5:24pm Oct 16 '07
- Also - Anon 8:02pm Oct 15 '07
  - No, I don't see the parallel - blood roses 8:12pm Oct 15 '07
- Probably not - Kromey 2:43pm Oct 15 '07

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