Posted by Rick at 7:47pm Apr 17 '10I watch TNT when on dialysis. This morning I saw 2 shows I normally don't see. Hawthorne and Part of the Closer.
What I saw, I liked.
These bloggings I wrote were meant for another forum, bear that in mind when reading it. These episodes illustrated points that I want to make in a lifestyle debate.
As to why I'm not putting this their, well some people are known as spelling nazies. On the same line, there are people who dismiss you when you use what you see on tv, or hear on radio. So consider instead of these being moral arguments, these are reasons why I like these shows.
The shows Hawthorne and The Closer.
Hawthorne
I think I have a new favorite show. This is about a hospital where this woman is an administrator of some sort. This subject matter isn't bullshit; it really does happen in hospitals. I can vouch on that.
So in any discussion of healthcare, you will hear people talk about the market, or that socialized medicine is bad.
Well if you want to take the free market approach, you're more than welcomed too, but let's take a good look at some of these "costs" you have to pay for in that same free market system.
The episode starts out, are main character (Jade Pinkest Smith, name is Catherine I think) Catherine is waken up 3-4 am in the morning, with a patient calling her that he's decided to jump. She gets down to the hospital.
The guard is new and doesn't recognize her. He tries to make her go back to her car (blocking the ambulance driveway no less) and get id. She doesn't have time and bull rushes him. Let me say this as a security guard, I was always afraid I would do that. It was my biggest fear, that I would make the boss or the head honcho who was in a hurry (and a good reason at that) have to follow normal procedures because I didn't recognize them. That was my biggest fear, a close second was someone saying they're the boss, doing something wrong, and I have to field why I let that person in without that id.
While running up their, she catches a patient in the stairwell and sends him back to the staff on that floor. (It was an elderly patient with dementia or senile who should have never been left alone to wander around the hospital). She gets up to the hospital roof, old guy with cancer just wants to die, and he just wanted to say goodbye. She having just woken up makes the glib remark, they can do this in the morning and goodbye then, and he jumps. She has to race back downstairs, again run through the guard who is still trying to catch her, and get the ER team down their. Then she is called to a wandering homeless girl who wants to show her something. ER team gets the jumper in their. Catherine then goes outside, where the wanderer shows her what she wanted to show her...a newborn infant. His name is Moses. We're all thinking that this crazy homeless woman stole this baby. Catherine gets the baby (after being scuffed up by crazy) into the ER for a checkup and treatment. Crazy lady was convinced by Catherine, however wants Catherine was out of sight, she starts screaming that someone kidnapped her baby.
Then because all the staff is busy, the guard actually called the real cops to arrest her, and THEY DO. They arrest the head nurse, in her own hospital.
So jumper survives, the baby has something wrong with him, and needs to be treated.
Drama-wise her husband dies one year ago, and everyone is having a memorial. She does mourn him, but her duty as a nurse comes first.
Also another nurse follows a doctor's order which was clearly wrong. They are trained to follow their instincts, and not blindly the doctor. So a veteran nearly is killed by too much of whatever drug/ medicine.
And of course the hospital staff meeting is today, over the budget. This is going to look bad at that meeting. To say nothing when the soldier's father in a later scene says he worried to death over his son's 2 tours of duty, to be relieved when he got home, only to have the hospital of all things nearly kill him. The father is smart enough too snide that he hopes their stories are straight and the finger pointing stops before his lawyers get through with them. Also that he's transferring his son to a different hospital, and could they please not kill him tonight.
It couldn't have been the doctor's fault for doctors don't make mistakes. Nurses only follow hospital procedure or doctor orders, they don't have brains or experience to deal with anything else. The next scene goes with that. This nurse is being yelled at by a foreign doctor. Actually he's American, and he was speaking English, if you can forgive the STRONG Asian accent. He was saying Room 8 gets some medical procedure. He was only speaking English on a technicality, she couldn't understand him, and her superior said that usually takes 3 MONTHS. Excuse me but if a nurse takes 3 months to understand the guy, imagine what the patients say. And excuse me, but the medical floor is neither the time nor the place for missed signals, let alone normal verbal orders. If everyone says they can't understand you, guess what, their actually is something to it. Its not just they're racist for not understanding English when I'm speaking English in my native accent.
Semi-unrelated to the hospital, life interrupts Catherine when she gets a call from her daughter's school. Said daughter handcuffed herself to the schools vending machine. She makes the glib remark that she got her daddy killed a year ago. So she just lets them take her away, and tell the principle do whatever is appropriate. They settle on detention, when she's already in stride back to the hospital.
Next big event came at the end with David, the jumper. In the episode Catherine had to check to see if he was DNR (do not resituate). The computer froze while she was looking it up, and the ER doctor treated him above the standard of DCR. Once Catherine found he was DCR, he was already pass the point of death, so they saved him. Interesting enough David said when he was standing on that edge; he really did want to die. BUT during the fall, his last thought before he blacked out, I want to live.
It was God, or good writing, which saved him since the computer just miraculously, froze before she could find out if he was DCR.
One thing that's implies is that doctors, nurses and what not don't have personal lives. They do, but the job is supposed to come first. Same thing with the cops, if you marry someone with this type of job, they are on call 48 hours a day (and that's not a typo). They're that important, and needed. It's very tough to find people, especially with family that truly understands that, to enter that profession without the incentive. Incentive's cost money, and given the crap they have to go through, you can't pay these people enough for the work they do.
The government would and does go bankrupt funding them. The only way to keep costs down, is if your medical staff truly wants to be their, to be the type of people who really would work for free, and get paid by doing the "public good"
But we don't live in Star Trek. To train these people, to find and attract their hands and brains, you need some form of payment, at the very least so their properly equipped, fed, supplied, ECT.
Of course if you want the best, who are already top notch, well of course you do. The problem is how are you going to pay for it, any doctor or nurse have had days like this. Here is something to think on. A bad hospital, this will happen everyday. A good hospital, these things will happen. They just occur less frequently. Thats why malpractice insurance is dangerously high. IT WILL HAPPEN, even with everyone doing their job competently, everyone following good procedures, there is always something that can go wrong. So insurance is already high, and it will go even higher if stupidity becomes tolerated in your hospital. Which also means every other price for everything in that hospital has to go up to cover those insurance costs, as well as the doctor's training bills (student loans) the staffs paycheck so they can eat and work, ECT.
The Closer
The Closer
This demonstrates a "liberal" strict letter of law.
Their members of the LAPD that put bad guys away. In this episode the FID, a force that makes sure the police don't act inappropriately.
So a white teenager is spotted on the ground by the aerial cops. They then spot 2 dead cops in their car. There are 6 shots through the windshield of their cruiser. Their are dozens of spent assault rifle rounds next to the white kid. It looks like the cops chased the suspect and then met a hail of bullets.
NID basic assumption that until hard evidence is found that the kid is a gangbanger, then he is a citizen of LA and that his death looks like the cops are guilty of killing an unarmed citizen.
The problem is how "hard" is hard evidence. We see the kid's house. He has Aryan propaganda, and Nazi symbols in his bedroom. His Mother seems to be just a fine racists as anyone, to the point of insulting the police who here is a diverse cast. We find out that they're tattoo art or drawings in his room, and they drag the tattoo artists out of bed again in the early morning for questioning. They interogate him (pointing out that they will throw him in prison, and saying thanks for ratting out the gangsters, which would execute him basically) But under this threat he does admit to dealing with gangster clientele. They also say that the Nazi tattoos usually have lightning on them, and they symbolize how many people you've killed. I leave at this point because I'm done with medical treatment at this point.
Sounds to me like any "reasonable" person can put 2 and 2 together and figure this kid was a gangbanger looking for his break into the gangworld by killing cops. Keep in mind we know that there're "Aryan" gangs who don't mind killing cops. But none of this is hard enough for the FID.
FID's goal is noble. Their trying to make sure the cops act constitutionally, and keep the city out of multi-million dollar lawsuits. However when you basically question whether the cops acted appropriately when your dead "innocent civilian" is surrounded by dozens of shell casings and the police are shot up, your implying that the cops deserved it. Believe me, clean or dirty, those cops are NOT going to be happy.
Was the circumstances beyond all doubt, no he could have been shot by his peeps. He could have been walking by, and the gangsters popped him just because he was a witness. But it's a very reasonable assumption that the cops opened fire in front of them when they were being blasted by assault rifles.
What also hurts this idiot's credibility (the FID women) the chief specifically tells her their organization (LAPD's I think) takes lead, and that FID investigation cannot stop the forward progress of the investigation. So what does she do, she tells the mother her son is dead, while their interviewing her about her son, she takes all the evidence to her lab, which includes all the reports that no one can actually look at it when on the phone with possible witnesses. Now during the interrogation that she says that the cops just threatened to kill the guy (because prisoners are known for killing the rats, its common knowledge) she makes the leap that they are threatening him, but at the same time can't make the leap for the "dead white kid" pointing out her own bias.
Do we want people to protect cities from lawsuits and to make sure the police don't become corrupt yes? However we don't want to other way either, that of bureaucrats to handcuff the police and let them be sitting targets for any 2-big goodie, gangbanger or other assorted scum who feel like taking a shot at police officers.
What I saw, I liked.
These bloggings I wrote were meant for another forum, bear that in mind when reading it. These episodes illustrated points that I want to make in a lifestyle debate.
As to why I'm not putting this their, well some people are known as spelling nazies. On the same line, there are people who dismiss you when you use what you see on tv, or hear on radio. So consider instead of these being moral arguments, these are reasons why I like these shows.
The shows Hawthorne and The Closer.
Hawthorne
I think I have a new favorite show. This is about a hospital where this woman is an administrator of some sort. This subject matter isn't bullshit; it really does happen in hospitals. I can vouch on that.
So in any discussion of healthcare, you will hear people talk about the market, or that socialized medicine is bad.
Well if you want to take the free market approach, you're more than welcomed too, but let's take a good look at some of these "costs" you have to pay for in that same free market system.
The episode starts out, are main character (Jade Pinkest Smith, name is Catherine I think) Catherine is waken up 3-4 am in the morning, with a patient calling her that he's decided to jump. She gets down to the hospital.
The guard is new and doesn't recognize her. He tries to make her go back to her car (blocking the ambulance driveway no less) and get id. She doesn't have time and bull rushes him. Let me say this as a security guard, I was always afraid I would do that. It was my biggest fear, that I would make the boss or the head honcho who was in a hurry (and a good reason at that) have to follow normal procedures because I didn't recognize them. That was my biggest fear, a close second was someone saying they're the boss, doing something wrong, and I have to field why I let that person in without that id.
While running up their, she catches a patient in the stairwell and sends him back to the staff on that floor. (It was an elderly patient with dementia or senile who should have never been left alone to wander around the hospital). She gets up to the hospital roof, old guy with cancer just wants to die, and he just wanted to say goodbye. She having just woken up makes the glib remark, they can do this in the morning and goodbye then, and he jumps. She has to race back downstairs, again run through the guard who is still trying to catch her, and get the ER team down their. Then she is called to a wandering homeless girl who wants to show her something. ER team gets the jumper in their. Catherine then goes outside, where the wanderer shows her what she wanted to show her...a newborn infant. His name is Moses. We're all thinking that this crazy homeless woman stole this baby. Catherine gets the baby (after being scuffed up by crazy) into the ER for a checkup and treatment. Crazy lady was convinced by Catherine, however wants Catherine was out of sight, she starts screaming that someone kidnapped her baby.
Then because all the staff is busy, the guard actually called the real cops to arrest her, and THEY DO. They arrest the head nurse, in her own hospital.
So jumper survives, the baby has something wrong with him, and needs to be treated.
Drama-wise her husband dies one year ago, and everyone is having a memorial. She does mourn him, but her duty as a nurse comes first.
Also another nurse follows a doctor's order which was clearly wrong. They are trained to follow their instincts, and not blindly the doctor. So a veteran nearly is killed by too much of whatever drug/ medicine.
And of course the hospital staff meeting is today, over the budget. This is going to look bad at that meeting. To say nothing when the soldier's father in a later scene says he worried to death over his son's 2 tours of duty, to be relieved when he got home, only to have the hospital of all things nearly kill him. The father is smart enough too snide that he hopes their stories are straight and the finger pointing stops before his lawyers get through with them. Also that he's transferring his son to a different hospital, and could they please not kill him tonight.
It couldn't have been the doctor's fault for doctors don't make mistakes. Nurses only follow hospital procedure or doctor orders, they don't have brains or experience to deal with anything else. The next scene goes with that. This nurse is being yelled at by a foreign doctor. Actually he's American, and he was speaking English, if you can forgive the STRONG Asian accent. He was saying Room 8 gets some medical procedure. He was only speaking English on a technicality, she couldn't understand him, and her superior said that usually takes 3 MONTHS. Excuse me but if a nurse takes 3 months to understand the guy, imagine what the patients say. And excuse me, but the medical floor is neither the time nor the place for missed signals, let alone normal verbal orders. If everyone says they can't understand you, guess what, their actually is something to it. Its not just they're racist for not understanding English when I'm speaking English in my native accent.
Semi-unrelated to the hospital, life interrupts Catherine when she gets a call from her daughter's school. Said daughter handcuffed herself to the schools vending machine. She makes the glib remark that she got her daddy killed a year ago. So she just lets them take her away, and tell the principle do whatever is appropriate. They settle on detention, when she's already in stride back to the hospital.
Next big event came at the end with David, the jumper. In the episode Catherine had to check to see if he was DNR (do not resituate). The computer froze while she was looking it up, and the ER doctor treated him above the standard of DCR. Once Catherine found he was DCR, he was already pass the point of death, so they saved him. Interesting enough David said when he was standing on that edge; he really did want to die. BUT during the fall, his last thought before he blacked out, I want to live.
It was God, or good writing, which saved him since the computer just miraculously, froze before she could find out if he was DCR.
One thing that's implies is that doctors, nurses and what not don't have personal lives. They do, but the job is supposed to come first. Same thing with the cops, if you marry someone with this type of job, they are on call 48 hours a day (and that's not a typo). They're that important, and needed. It's very tough to find people, especially with family that truly understands that, to enter that profession without the incentive. Incentive's cost money, and given the crap they have to go through, you can't pay these people enough for the work they do.
The government would and does go bankrupt funding them. The only way to keep costs down, is if your medical staff truly wants to be their, to be the type of people who really would work for free, and get paid by doing the "public good"
But we don't live in Star Trek. To train these people, to find and attract their hands and brains, you need some form of payment, at the very least so their properly equipped, fed, supplied, ECT.
Of course if you want the best, who are already top notch, well of course you do. The problem is how are you going to pay for it, any doctor or nurse have had days like this. Here is something to think on. A bad hospital, this will happen everyday. A good hospital, these things will happen. They just occur less frequently. Thats why malpractice insurance is dangerously high. IT WILL HAPPEN, even with everyone doing their job competently, everyone following good procedures, there is always something that can go wrong. So insurance is already high, and it will go even higher if stupidity becomes tolerated in your hospital. Which also means every other price for everything in that hospital has to go up to cover those insurance costs, as well as the doctor's training bills (student loans) the staffs paycheck so they can eat and work, ECT.
The Closer
The Closer
This demonstrates a "liberal" strict letter of law.
Their members of the LAPD that put bad guys away. In this episode the FID, a force that makes sure the police don't act inappropriately.
So a white teenager is spotted on the ground by the aerial cops. They then spot 2 dead cops in their car. There are 6 shots through the windshield of their cruiser. Their are dozens of spent assault rifle rounds next to the white kid. It looks like the cops chased the suspect and then met a hail of bullets.
NID basic assumption that until hard evidence is found that the kid is a gangbanger, then he is a citizen of LA and that his death looks like the cops are guilty of killing an unarmed citizen.
The problem is how "hard" is hard evidence. We see the kid's house. He has Aryan propaganda, and Nazi symbols in his bedroom. His Mother seems to be just a fine racists as anyone, to the point of insulting the police who here is a diverse cast. We find out that they're tattoo art or drawings in his room, and they drag the tattoo artists out of bed again in the early morning for questioning. They interogate him (pointing out that they will throw him in prison, and saying thanks for ratting out the gangsters, which would execute him basically) But under this threat he does admit to dealing with gangster clientele. They also say that the Nazi tattoos usually have lightning on them, and they symbolize how many people you've killed. I leave at this point because I'm done with medical treatment at this point.
Sounds to me like any "reasonable" person can put 2 and 2 together and figure this kid was a gangbanger looking for his break into the gangworld by killing cops. Keep in mind we know that there're "Aryan" gangs who don't mind killing cops. But none of this is hard enough for the FID.
FID's goal is noble. Their trying to make sure the cops act constitutionally, and keep the city out of multi-million dollar lawsuits. However when you basically question whether the cops acted appropriately when your dead "innocent civilian" is surrounded by dozens of shell casings and the police are shot up, your implying that the cops deserved it. Believe me, clean or dirty, those cops are NOT going to be happy.
Was the circumstances beyond all doubt, no he could have been shot by his peeps. He could have been walking by, and the gangsters popped him just because he was a witness. But it's a very reasonable assumption that the cops opened fire in front of them when they were being blasted by assault rifles.
What also hurts this idiot's credibility (the FID women) the chief specifically tells her their organization (LAPD's I think) takes lead, and that FID investigation cannot stop the forward progress of the investigation. So what does she do, she tells the mother her son is dead, while their interviewing her about her son, she takes all the evidence to her lab, which includes all the reports that no one can actually look at it when on the phone with possible witnesses. Now during the interrogation that she says that the cops just threatened to kill the guy (because prisoners are known for killing the rats, its common knowledge) she makes the leap that they are threatening him, but at the same time can't make the leap for the "dead white kid" pointing out her own bias.
Do we want people to protect cities from lawsuits and to make sure the police don't become corrupt yes? However we don't want to other way either, that of bureaucrats to handcuff the police and let them be sitting targets for any 2-big goodie, gangbanger or other assorted scum who feel like taking a shot at police officers.
Other shows found on TNT - Rick