Posted by Kazper at 7:32pm Dec 14 '06What gives us pleasure or doesn't give us pleasure is what makes us feel good or makes us feel bad. Therefore, I think (since I think everything we do is motivated by pleasure) that it is impossible for anyone to react unemotionally. If one chooses to react logically it's likely they've examined the consequences of doing so and the consequences of not doing so and desire the former.
We think it better to do x1 because of result x2 and why we think result x2 is better... is because it gives up pleasure. We can all have different and complex explanations for exactly how and why result x2 gives us pleasure... but it doesn't change the fact that it gives us pleasure...
If we do cause x1 the effect x2 will/could result. Do we allow or unallow the cause? (Does the majority desire or not desire the effect?)
We may do an unpleasureable action because of a pleasureable consequence or we may do a pleasureable action regardless of an unpleasureable consequence.
Remember: Do not engage in or support causes with undesirable effects. Unless doing so causes effects more undesireable.
Two sets of effects: from causes done and from causes not done. I think we compare the desireable effects from each set against eachother and the set with the most desireable effects then determines the cause we do or do not do...
Effects of causes can be causes of effects: not working out (let's say) can get you fat. Getting fat (let's say) can get you killed...
If this is how we decide what we do and do not do, it would be great to do so more consciously, especially when it comes to proposals for laws. The do cause and its effects could come first then the do not cause and its effects could come later and they could go through levels of review where effects could be added or taken away or perhaps, somehow, given a percentage for their possibility of actually occurring. And then the people vote (determine which cause has the most desireable effects).
We choose the cause with the most desireable effects with the most desireable effects with the most desireable effects...
Always, without exception, we choose the cause with, what we think, has the most pleasureable effects.
Pleasure is our guide or perhaps... our master.
People could have the option of explaining why an effect gives them pleasure because something useful could be discovered. But again, it won't change the fact that they are choosing the effect because they think it is pleasureable. So, the main thing that could be discovered is whether or not is is actually pleasureable to one...
Our lives are dedicated to the pursuit of pleasure because the reason we do anything is for pleasure.
The only time we truly do something unpleasureable is when someone takes away our choice.
Our goal in life is to discover what brings us pleasure. This goal reveals itself as we discover what brings us pleasure through experience and become consciously aware that everything we already do is for pleasure and then decide to consciously seek out what brings us pleasure.
~Shawn Savoie~
~Ottawa, Ontario, Canada~
We think it better to do x1 because of result x2 and why we think result x2 is better... is because it gives up pleasure. We can all have different and complex explanations for exactly how and why result x2 gives us pleasure... but it doesn't change the fact that it gives us pleasure...
If we do cause x1 the effect x2 will/could result. Do we allow or unallow the cause? (Does the majority desire or not desire the effect?)
We may do an unpleasureable action because of a pleasureable consequence or we may do a pleasureable action regardless of an unpleasureable consequence.
Remember: Do not engage in or support causes with undesirable effects. Unless doing so causes effects more undesireable.
Two sets of effects: from causes done and from causes not done. I think we compare the desireable effects from each set against eachother and the set with the most desireable effects then determines the cause we do or do not do...
Effects of causes can be causes of effects: not working out (let's say) can get you fat. Getting fat (let's say) can get you killed...
If this is how we decide what we do and do not do, it would be great to do so more consciously, especially when it comes to proposals for laws. The do cause and its effects could come first then the do not cause and its effects could come later and they could go through levels of review where effects could be added or taken away or perhaps, somehow, given a percentage for their possibility of actually occurring. And then the people vote (determine which cause has the most desireable effects).
We choose the cause with the most desireable effects with the most desireable effects with the most desireable effects...
Always, without exception, we choose the cause with, what we think, has the most pleasureable effects.
Pleasure is our guide or perhaps... our master.
People could have the option of explaining why an effect gives them pleasure because something useful could be discovered. But again, it won't change the fact that they are choosing the effect because they think it is pleasureable. So, the main thing that could be discovered is whether or not is is actually pleasureable to one...
Our lives are dedicated to the pursuit of pleasure because the reason we do anything is for pleasure.
The only time we truly do something unpleasureable is when someone takes away our choice.
Our goal in life is to discover what brings us pleasure. This goal reveals itself as we discover what brings us pleasure through experience and become consciously aware that everything we already do is for pleasure and then decide to consciously seek out what brings us pleasure.
~Shawn Savoie~
~Ottawa, Ontario, Canada~